Welcome to TSR MUN II!

OP

First clash - aiman vs Kondar over the US. I have to inform you both that technically, aiman was first.

Reply 2

googlefight!

that should so be a MUN mechanism

Reply 3

Kondar

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Agent Smith

First clash - aiman vs Kondar over the US. I have to inform you both that technically, aiman was first.

Do you really think it is wise to hand the lone super power over to someone with less than 200 posts?

I am an American and I have been very active in D&D. Ive never even heard of aiman.

I submitted my request as soon as I saw the thread. Only four hours after you posted it, not four days.. I did it as soon as I was aware of it.

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Kondar

Do you really think it is wise to hand the lone super power over to someone with less than 200 posts?

I am an American and I have been very active in D&D. Ive never even heard of aiman.

I submitted my request as soon as I saw the thread. Only four hours after you posted it, not four days.. I did it as soon as I was aware of it.

agreed....

Reply 5

OP

Well, aiman got in 20 minutes after. Keen. According to the signup rules, that consitutes a claim to representing the US. If you feel strongly that your claim is a better one because your experience outweighs aiman's keenness, I would suggest you discuss it with him via PM.

Reply 6

Hang on, since when did a change in SG mean the whole UN gets turned upside down?

Reply 7

OP

Well, deej2's decision to step down coincided with lots of people deciding that radical reform was needed to breathe life into the MUN. What's the problem? I made it clear in the, for want of a better word, election campaign, that this would happen if I was elected SG. And I did ask for any objections when I accepted the post.

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Is Israel not in the Europe (WEOG) group?

Reply 9

Scheherazade

Well if Israel is part of Europe then Turkey definitely is.
From a geographical stand-point.

Reply 10

Agent Smith

Well, deej2's decision to step down coincided with lots of people deciding that radical reform was needed to breathe life into the MUN. What's the problem? I made it clear in the, for want of a better word, election campaign, that this would happen if I was elected SG. And I did ask for any objections when I accepted the post.

You accepted the post less than 24 hours ago, I havent had time to check the posts in that timeframe. I havent seen anything that stated you would reassign all the UN member states to TSR members. I did see something to the effect that you would contact members or confirm that they wanted to retain their position.

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Carl

Is Israel not in the Europe (WEOG) group?

Yes, because none of the Arab nations accepts its position in the Middle East.

Reply 11

OP

"Western Europe and Others" meaning things between Europe and Asia? It might as well be, yes. But geographically I think it counts as Asia. It's not of any real consequence, it was just so people knew roughly what was what on the signup list.

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Iran is in WEOG, apparently, and that I would certainly class as Asia.

Reply 12

Kondar

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Lets not get all excited, we can work through this as a group. I think it is a bad idea to just hand out countries to the first person who asks for them. I think participation is crucial to the survival of the UN. I also think that people should be informed ahead of time about any decisions before they are implemented.

Why not continue with the signup and find out where interests lie, then make a decision based on that in a few days- after EVERYONE has a chance to contribute.

Reply 13

OP

I did imply (and the universal consensus was that it was badly needed) that re-jigging would be on the cards. Would you have preferred a full-on manifesto?

If you didn't have time to check the posts, then it's just bad luck that others managed to. I can't help that. Like I said to Kondar: if you feel your claim is stronger, take it up with the other claimants. Or I could even post a poll - when there are several evenly-matched takers for the very biggest countries, that might be the fairest way of sorting things out.

Reply 14

Agent Smith

"Western Europe and Others" meaning things between Europe and Asia? It might as well be, yes. But geographically I think it counts as Asia. It's not of any real consequence, it was just so people knew roughly what was what on the signup list.

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Iran is in WEOG, apparently, and that I would certainly class as Asia.

Yes but politically Israel is in the same group as Europe and North America, for the reason given by Vienna. Check the original UN reps list where I link the groups. Since this is a political organisation geography doesn't really come into it.

Reply 15

OP

Kondar

Lets not get all excited, we can work through this as a group. I think it is a bad idea to just hand out countries to the first person who asks for them. I think participation is crucial to the survival of the UN. I also think that people should be informed ahead of time about any decisions before they are implemented.

Why not continue with the signup and find out where interests lie, then make a decision based on that in a few days- after EVERYONE has a chance to contribute.

It's a fair point. While 'allocations' can still be on a first-come-first-served basis, you are absolutely right that they shouldn't be definite, but rather expressions of interest. Then, if there is a big fight over one country, things can start happening to resolve it.

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Agent Smith

I did imply (and the universal consensus was that it was badly needed) that re-jigging would be on the cards. Would you have preferred a full-on manifesto?

If you didn't have time to check the posts, then it's just bad luck that others managed to. I can't help that. Like I said to Kondar: if you feel your claim is stronger, take it up with the other claimants. Or I could even post a poll - when there are several evenly-matched takers for the very biggest countries, that might be the fairest way of sorting things out.

i) It wasnt universal because I and others(if we take beekeepers list of inactivity to be a guide) werent aware of it, and didnt ok it. Its an odd state of affairs when the General Assembly is stripped of its powers without the consent of the General Assembly. It seems unfair that members can be removed and assigned in under 24 hrs at the call of the SG and with a few other voices, without having any warning of such a motion. As far as I was aware you were intending on giving each representative the necessary warning in regards to their position.

ii) The fact that I am representative for the US hasnt changed. If someone wants to take that off me, they are welcome to ask and I may discuss it. The fact that it has already been allocated to me is, as you say, bad luck to those who want it.

Reply 17

OP

OK, Vienna, have a look at the US's "signed-up" status on the signup post.

You could look at it like this: Many of the others, like fr browne for example, have "left" and then instantly "rejoined" again as the same country; you, never having "left", count as having got your vote in before everybody else, but their claims still count as well. If it does come to a vote, and I still think that's probably the only fully fair way to decide things (once there's a reasonable number of MUNers), getting your application in first does not guarantee you victory.

If anyone else shouts for Ireland, fr browne (Ireland last time) is as near as makes no odds to being in exactly the same position as you.

Reply 18

Kondar

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So every single member who has not come in to give up their position still retains their country?

If that is the case then almost over nation you have listed is already taken??!?~

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Again, I dont mean to be aggresive, but there is no reason to rush this. Lets wipe the slate clean and gather a consensus and move on in a few days.

Reply 19